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Thursday, July 14, 2005

As British as a wet bank holiday...

Good old Boris in cracking form:

I have already had enough about how perfectly normal these young men were, and what charming fellows they were, and how there was nothing they loved more than serving in dad's chip shop or helping an old lady across the street or a good game of cricket in the park.

"All he wanted to do was have a laugh," said one of the neighbours last night, about one of the sick quartet responsible for killing themselves and at least 52 others in London. "He was sound as a pound." Yeah, right. If these four young men were perfectly normal Yorkshiremen, then what the hell is happening to this country? Of all the shattering revelations of the past few days, the worst has been that these suicide bombers were British.

Then a question that I think Jorgen was getting at:

We seem to have pulled off the rare feat of breeding suicide bombers determined to attack the very society that incubated them; and the question is why. Why does America import its suicide bombers, while we produce our own?

Johnson's answer is that we have given up on our national symbols and culture:

The disaster is that we no longer make any real demands of loyalty upon those who are immigrants or the children of immigrants.

We have ... created a multi-cultural society that has many beauties and attractions, but in which too many Britons have absolutely no sense of allegiance to this country or its institutions. It is a cultural calamity that will take decades to reverse, and we must begin now with what I call in this morning's Spectator the re-Britannification of Britain.

In 1990 Norman Tebbit was making a similar point when he said:

"A large proportion of Britain's Asian population fail to pass the cricket test. Which side do they cheer for? It's an interesting test. Are you still harking back to where you came from or where you are?"

How he was reviled! Note, by the way, that Wikipedia writes that "the problem, if there was one, has disappeared" which is remarkably shallow.


At 14 July 2005 at 09:28, Blogger Jorgen said...

According to US experts in terrorism (I don't have a link) the US gets the better educated and better off Muslims while Europe gets the poorer, badly educated people. On top of this, the UK accepts radicals that are unwanted in their homelands because they are too fanatic even there!!

I have a feeling (I lived in the UK nearly two decades) that the UK has waited too long and now will have to take some very heavyhanded approaches and I can't see Labour doing this.

France and Spain will end up OK when they regain their sanity as they don't worry too much about the means to achieve their goals. The UK, Holland and the Scandinavian countries are too squeamish and can well lose the battle.

At 14 July 2005 at 10:17, Blogger Jorgen said...

Just read this article in Al-Guardian written by a youngster who is very much like the London-bombers,3604,1527323,00.html.

The UK is in serious problems!
[I found the article via]

At 14 July 2005 at 12:20, Blogger rexie said...

Thanks for that.

The UK has a problem, and it's one that we cannot even talk about without the disapproval of the PC brigade. Nevertheless, we are beginning to talk about it.

BTW - concerning the Guardian piece, I've never quite understood what "sassy" means as it is only used by media types.

At 14 July 2005 at 14:34, Blogger Jorgen said...


At 15 July 2005 at 07:57, Blogger Jorgen said...

Were the Muslims represented in the 2 minutes silence? everyone in the pictures looks very anglosaxon.

Has the Muslim community started a public discussion about the problem: the UK welcomes them amongst their midst as citizens but - judging from Al-Guardian's article and the statements about how British the four terrorists were - quite many of the second-generation Muslims would dearly like to knife the UK in the back and commit mass-murder.

At 15 July 2005 at 09:32, Blogger rexie said...

Given the interest there must have been in showing muslims taking part in the demonstration, they do seem underrepresented in the pictures I've seen - which is disappointing. I believe that "moderate" community leaders know that something has to be done: the trouble is that even "moderate" muslim leaders seem comfortable with suicide bombing when it occurs in Israel.

At 15 July 2005 at 11:00, Blogger Jorgen said...

Yes, this was a golden opportunity for the UK Muslims to show what they think about the mass murders. Or maybe they did? Or maybe they were busy writing complaints about Islamophobia, i.e. the irrational and unfounded fear some people get when they either read in the Koran what is going to happen to them or read articles like the one citated above in Al-Guardian.

At 15 July 2005 at 11:24, Blogger rexie said...

I know a number of moderate people of muslim descent. They have all abandoned their religion.

At 15 July 2005 at 14:48, Blogger Jorgen said...

From FOX news:
"Another friend, Adnan Samir, 21, nodded in agreement.

"They're crying over 50 people while 100 people are dying every day in Iraq and Palestine," said Iqbal. "If they are indeed the ones who did it, it's because they believed it was right. They're in Heaven.",2933,162603,00.html

Toni Blair should get his head examined.

At 15 July 2005 at 15:19, Blogger rexie said...

I see. The justification for mass murder in this country is the mass murders being committed daily in Iraq by similarly minded terrorists.

I suppose this makes sense if you are angry, but it might make better sense to be a bit less angry.


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